PT Requirements [Reception/Fitness Training camp]

I've joined the National Guard and I leave for boot camp within the next month, I was wondering what happens if I fail the PT test at reception.

I'm doing my AIT straight after BCT and I was wondering how that works, I read somewhere that if I fail the PT test at reception I'll get sent to fitness training camp instead of BCT. If I don't go directly to BCT will I have to go to BCT at a different time?

If I do have to go to BCT at a different time, will my job be likely to change to fit into a different AIT school?

The only problem I have is the run, any help/advice/information on reception, bct, and fitness training camp would be nice.
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The best advice I can give you about running is that the only way to get better is to go out and work at it. Once you get to reception you will figure out who is a runner and who is not, follow them, keep them in your sight and what ever you do DON'T STOP RUNNING! If you stop you will fail...it all comes down to how much do you want it, if you want to be good you will put the effort forward to do it. As for your schooling and whatever I know back when it was a really big deal to be reset and could cause the Army to do other things to your schooling. Like you said you have a month, run EVERY day for at least a mile (take 1 day off to rest) and really push yourself, if you ain't pukin you ain't trying.


YOU LEAD FROM THE FRONT
Congratulations on your enlistment!!

Unless you're 250+lbs, it's fairly rare to fail the initial PT test. The standards are pretty low. But I agree with constant confusion- go running NOW, at least 2-3times per week. It's easier to find someone else to go with you and push each other. (Not a marathon runner, who might just make you feel bad, unless you have an awesome mindset.)

IF you do fail the initial PT test, they keep you at "reception" for a while (1-4weeks? I have no idea,) until you're ready to start Basic Training. When they think you're ready, you'll start Basic Training, and if you missed your AIT, after you finish Basic, they could send you home to wait for another AIT class. (If it's more than a week or two wait.)

At Basic you only have to get 50points in each PT event to graduate. At AIT (and the rest of your time in the Army,) you must get 60pts on the PT test. I've seen many National Guard and Reserve Soldiers have problem with this, because they don't exercise when they're not on active duty.

Get in some kind of habit now to work out 2-3 times a week and you won't have that problem.

Let us all know if you have other questions, because this forum is full of NCOs (or wannabe NCOs,) who want to help. We won't sugarcoat and can sometimes be kinda rude, but the majority of peoople here tell it like it is, because we want you to be the Best Soldier You Can.

Good luck!
-Will
Thanks for welcoming me! Big Grin


After my AIT my recruiter said he'd sit me down with a Warrant Officer recruiter to talk about possible future plans, I noticed all the WO careers require E4-5 + so many years in service doing specific mos's except this one: http://www.nationalguard.com/c...ob-information-153-a

What are the chances of me being able to become a warrant officer doing this job after returning from AIT, and how long will it take after AIT before they will let me attempt this?

Can I do it directly after finishing AIT or will I have to wait so many years before doing it?
To be a Pilot you could apply NOW, EXCEPT that you are committed to do Basic/AIT first. There are actually Soldiers who sign up in their first time in the Army, go to Basic Training, then straight to Warrant Officer Candidate School, then flight school.

The minute you finish AIT, you could apply for the job. Find a good NCO to help you with the application- not all Enlisted people will necessarily be thrilled with your choice of doing one thing then switching right away.

BUT you might also consider working in your first MOS for a while to see if it's something you like. There are Warrant Officers for most MOS except infantry, and for that there is a Special Forces WO MOS..

Anyway- I just finished WOCS, am starting my WO MOS training next week. I was Staff SGT with 9yrs of service. Let me know later if you need help with it.
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The minute you finish AIT, you could apply for the job. Find a good NCO to help you with the application- not all Enlisted people will necessarily be thrilled with your choice of doing one thing then switching right away.

So even though I enlisted to do 94F as a MOS, I don't have to wait so many months/years before I'm allowed to apply for the WO MOS of 153A?

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Also, I was looking at some of these specialized schools http://www.goarmy.com/life/specialized_schools.jsp

Do they have a limit on how many of those schools I can apply to go to? A lot of them say "Training at this school is not MOS dependent." So I was thinking when I get on my feet in the Army I could attend a few for some extra skills without changing my MOS.

I'd LIKE to attend the following
*Airborne School
*Defense Language Institute (multiple times if possible to learn 2 or 3 languages)
*Pathfinder school
*Jumpmaster school
*Ranger school
*Aviation school (I think if I get the school I'd go to if I manage to get the 153A WO MOS)

So any information on things like that would be helpful, Thanks for all the help you've given so far as well.
As for the 153A job it's one of the few catch all WO jobs. Meaning that your MOS doesn't matter. You could in theory get accepted for that job as soon as you finish BCT/AIT and put in your application. In theory. You'll have to get selected, which I'm sure AutobahnSHO can back up, is very competitive. So no you don't need to wait so many years to apply for the job. However, the more training you have the more competitive you become. But who knows, good things happen to people all the time.

As for the specialized training, sure you could get the ones that aren't MOS specific, but it's not that easy in most cases. As far as I know your unit is the one who pays for you to go to the schools and it comes down to if they don't need you to go then your chances get slimmer. Not to say it can't happen. Some units have extra money sitting around that they can use for schools, some units love to send soldiers to school, and some won't send you unless they have someone jumping down their throat to send people. But it don't hurt to ask. Also, be advised that most of those schools have pre-reqs that have to be followed for you to go, like Pathfinder and Jumpmaster, obviously you have to be Airborne qualified.

All in all, getting things out of the Army, be it Active/Reserves/National Guard, is dependant on how hard you work and push. If you don't put effort into all that you do then your chain of command will notice and you won't go anywhere or get good letters of recommendation for your WO packet. And if you don't push for what you want then it won't go through, trying once and failing and then giving up will get you no where. I don't know if SHO put in only one WO packet or not, but many who put in a packet and end up not getting selected will put in another one when they are able to do so again.

But good luck with all that you do. Stay strong, do your best and never give up and you'll get everything you want out of the Army and life.
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All in all, getting things out of the Army, be it Active/Reserves/National Guard, is dependant on how hard you work and push. If you don't put effort into all that you do then your chain of command will notice and you won't go anywhere or get good letters of recommendation for your WO packet. And if you don't push for what you want then it won't go through, trying once and failing and then giving up will get you no where. I don't know if SHO put in only one WO packet or not, but many who put in a packet and end up not getting selected will put in another one when they are able to do so again.


Thanks for all the advice, The site I linked to said that when I make it to AIT I should contact a Drill Instructor, Cadre, or airborne recruiter to see if I qualify for the airborne school so I guess I'll be doing that and seeing how things go.
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All in all, getting things out of the Army, be it Active/Reserves/National Guard, is dependant on how hard you work and push. If you don't put effort into all that you do then your chain of command will notice and you won't go anywhere or get good letters of recommendation for your WO packet.

Should I be volunteering to do things at Basic/AIT to help get noticed? Like if they're choosing platoon leaders and are asking for volunteers should I do things like that?
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Originally posted by PVTShawn:
So even though I enlisted to do 94F as a MOS, I don't have to wait so many months/years before I'm allowed to apply for the WO MOS of 153A?


No, you don't have to wait. Pilot is very competitive to get into, many Soldiers apply several times before they make it.

(I applied for Signal WO in 2006 and my packet wasn't even accepted to go to the Selection Board then..)

There are several WO MOS for your job, in fact my first bosses were 948B, Electronics Maintenance Technician Warrant Officers. But you'll need a few years of NCO experience to apply.

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Should I be volunteering to do things at Basic/AIT to help get noticed? Like if they're choosing platoon leaders and are asking for volunteers should I do things like that?


You'll see very quickly that just doing what you're told will put you above the rest of the PVTs at Basic and AIT. So yes, volunteering for things like that WILL help you.

Is your AIT here at Fort Gordon, or Ft Huachuca?
-Work hard, Study hard and score well on your tests. If you get honor graduate or distinguished honor graduate it's something you get a Permanent "Certificate of Achievement" for. Worth promotion points for SGT and you can put it down as an achievement later. (For WO hint hint. Wink ) There's another COA for high PT score.
-We've had Soldiers here go to the "Soldier of the Quarter" Board and win- earning an Army Achievement Medal at the Battalion then again at Brigade level. Again, looks fantastic on your resume and imagine showing up to your Unit with more medals than your Squad leader!!
-Winners of the SOQ go on to Post level, then start meeting Generals as they compete at the Major Command level, the winners compete for a week all expenses paid in Washington DC! There's no better way to get ahead in the Army than getting famous for doing good things.
-So volunteer for the SOQ board as soon as you get to AIT. They'll take you if you're acting like a good Soldier.

There's no need to "brown nose" in the Army- but you bet I do my best to "impress people". I have never had issues n the Army because of that. My Commander and 1SG have always supported me in anything I've wanted to do. I COULD get away with a lot of slacking off because they know I WON'T slack off when they're not watching me.
-It's all paid off because now I've gotten the job I really want. You can too, it might take a little time. My personal motto:

"Be Proud of what you do, and Do it Well!"
-Will
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Originally posted by PVTShawn:
My AIT will be in FT Gordon, Georgia. What is the difference between honor graduate and distinguished honor graduate? And what is Soldier of the Quarter, and what do we do to compete with other soldiers?


Each class can only have 1 distinguished HG. THEN, there is a percentage of the class (10%? 20%?) which can graduate HG IF they get high enough scores.. For either award, you must also stay out of trouble and pass the PT test.

SOQ is a board you go to in Dress Uniform. You are asked questions to test your composure under stress, you're also graded on your overall "military bearing". Study the studyguide from this site- it's where the majority of questions come from. Wink
-Many times they'll do a Company-level board to see who competes at Battalion level. The Battalion level would be the 1SGs from each Company grading and the Battalion Command SGT Major as the President of the Board. All would ask questions.

There are generally 3-5 other Soldiers competing at a Bn level board, one from each Company. At the same time, they do the same for NCO of the quarter.

SOMETIMES SOQ boards also include a PT test, ruckmarch, rifle marskmanship competition, etc...
The Soldier of the Year for the Army competition is a week-long event, with all kinds of other challenges.


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AND these boards are good to attend even if you don't win- because they're pretty much the same as the Promotion Board for SGT and SSG. Except everyone isn't competing against each other on promotion: everyone can get a top score and be recommended to be promoted. (Then you have to have so many points from civilian and military education, awards, PT test, marksmanship socres, etc...)

SOQ boards give you the practice so you know what to expect for making rank. Smiler

If you do win, you get awards, certificates, Kudos, and sometimes free days off work. (always WITH pay!)

(I won a couple NCO/Q last year, when I was telling my dad about it, he said, "Oh, so it's a male beauty pageant then?" Big Grin )
As for BCT, they are right do what you are told when your told to do it. Don't volunteer too much as your peers will think that your a kissing the Drill Sergeant's butt. YOu don't want that, your peers might think that's the only reason you make it through. Trust me I see it every cycle. As for PT just don't quit. I tell me soldiers every cycle I will help them out and I will do what I can as long as they don't quit. I will even run with my soldiers on their last PT test before graduation if I can.

I counsel my soldiers every time they fail their PT test and give them extra help and will work out with them as a group to show them that I stand behind my word.

if running is not your strong point try sprinting for 30 seconds then walking briskly for 60 seconds it will help your run time. Once you get used to that up it to sprint for 60 sec then brisk walk for 120 seconds. Also try ankle weights, they help wear them everywhere you go before you leave for BCT. Wear a backpack start with a light pack then add weight, from the sounds of it you don't have that long before you go to BCT but every little thing will help. Once you get to BCT all the foot marches that you will do will also help you with your run. YOu would think that walking will not do anything but it's the weight. Walking or running with weights slows you down, but listen once you take the weights off your body will move faster because it is lighter.

If push ups or sit ups are your weak point then simply do your minimum if you can in 4-5 sets with say a 1 minute break in between or say every day do 100 push ups or 100 sit ups. I break out a few work outs in my tool box that my command don't like all that much because they say it hurts the soldier, well if it's don't hurt a brand new soldier at my normal unit then it won't hurt a soldier in BCT if I tweek it a little for their unfit bodies.

For the most part your Drill sergeant will help you, I mean that's our job, I don't like to see any soldier of mine fail. I am not soft on them by any means trust me their first reaction to me is they don't want to be in my Platoon in BCT but by the ende they are thanking me for it because I don't let them quit at anything ever.

I have never seen Honor Grad I know of Soldier Leader of the Cycle and Soldier of the Cycle. your Chain of Command in BCT might hold a board to figure these soldiers out. Now the soldiers sent are probably based on ones that your Drill Sergeant has picked. Soldier of the Quarter will not happen in BCT that is for the perminent party soldiers there.

Don't try and be so HOOAH so fast, it's not a bad thing just know your job and place in the Army first. Some people will not like it and "brown nosers" are not liked in the Army.

I hope that this helps a little. Where is BCT for you?
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Originally posted by k9nermp:
Also try ankle weights, they help wear them everywhere you go before you leave for BCT. Wear a backpack start with a light pack then add weight, from the sounds of it you don't have that long before you go to BCT but every little thing will help. Once you get to BCT all the foot marches that you will do will also help you with your run. YOu would think that walking will not do anything but it's the weight. Walking or running with weights slows you down, but listen once you take the weights off your body will move faster because it is lighter.


Are you saying walk with a pack, and run with ankle weights, or use both in both? I hope you're not advising to run with a pack, because running with extra weight on your upper body is a great way to be on a first-name basis with your orthopedic surgeon.

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