Should all able bodied US Citizens do time in the military?

I don't think people should be required to join the military. I think it would lower the quality of service members we have becuase you would have people who don't want to be in the military being forced to join. What would their motivation be to actually be a good troop?

Plus, America is supposed to be the "land of the free." that includes being free to decide if you want to serve in the military or not.
I like the German way. Either military service or civil service, pick one. The majority of people would choose the civil service and that is fine. I agree with Frosty about conscription lowering the quality of people. But I also think people should have some sense of civil responsibiltiy in them. It is a high privilege to be a US citizen and to enjoy our lifestyle, not a God-given right, as too many Americans think.
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Originally posted by /elsinore98:
I'm with Epic Honor on this one. If folks were given options of how to serve, perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad thing. I think the positives would outweigh the negatives.


I don't agree because the country would still be taking how ever many years of someone's life and forcing them to do something they may not want to do just because they were born here, as if they have a choice on where to be born. They are being punished for simply being born. Of course, some may not consider it a punishment, but I'm sure some would.

People always talk about how our military is there to protect and defend freedom, but forcing people into civil service takes away freedom. The freedom to make your own choices on whether you want to serve your country or not (in whatever capacity).
I think that all able bodier people should have to serve in either the military or the civil servive in order to attain certian privliges, such as the ability to vote.
I don't think that they should have to serve in order to be considered citizens.
This way the people who decide the fate of our country (the voters) would have shown a dedication to the best intrests of our country.
think of the people you went to high school with. how many of them would you want serving along side you. not just your friends. everyone in your high school. for me, the answer is none of the ones who didnt join already.

I do think that, being that the majority of the millitary comes from the lower-middle to lower economic tax brackets, families above a certain income level should have to pay a tax if one family member is not in the military. they can afford it, they might as well sacrifice something. the money could be used for better pay, benefits, and equipment for those of us who do serve.
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Originally posted by JAG_Korea:
think of the people you went to high school with. how many of them would you want serving along side you. not just your friends. everyone in your high school. for me, the answer is none of the ones who didnt join already.


Yeah and when you think about them remember how many of them ask you "if you want fries with that?" in a drive thru.

The Army can at least give those that need some guidance what they are looking for.
I didn't say that everyone should join the military. I think everyone should serve some sort of civil service or serve in the military. I realize that everyone is not cut out for the military. I also agree that there are many people that I see that I would not want to serve with.
No draft! A volunteer force is the best way to go. I don't want to deal with a bunch of troops that don't want to be in the military. I would like to see something like compulsory service. Not necessarily military but maybe some sort of community service for a year or two. Germany has some sort of system like this. If a person is a consciencious objector they can do something non-military but still fulfill their service requirement.
I always wondered how KATUSAs (Korean Augmentee to the US Army) and ROK army soldiers felt about having to serve a mandatory two years in the military. It was recently explained to me that almost everyone hates it, but they do it because they know what's good for them. Their 2 years or more stays with them forever, and can actually be the difference between employment and unemployment. Companies look at that, and can mean they get paid more or less, depending on their length of service. Basically, they have to mandatorily serve, but it comes with incentives.
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I do think that, being that the majority of the millitary comes from the lower-middle to lower economic tax brackets, families above a certain income level should have to pay a tax if one family member is not in the military. they can afford it, they might as well sacrifice something. the money could be used for better pay, benefits, and equipment for those of us who do serve.


Hey, didn't they do that in the Middle Ages? If you didn't want to serve, you paid the king? Anyway, I don't want EVERYBODY. Able bodied doesn't mean able minded. It's hard dealing with people who might have been brought up to see you as less than they, even if you were brought up in a better social/economical position; now you have to deal with people who will say "I can buy you!!"

Just my two cents to start some $#!+
You know it would be a nice thought that all US Citizens could be reliable to serve in the military, but we all know that won't be possible. I have proccessed too many DFR (Dropped From Rolls) Packets to have any faith that people not wanting to join the military will do any better than some Soldiers who volunteer, but had a change in commitment to uphold their contract. I have always thought if a person does not want to join willingin then they shouldn't join at all...
I don't think conscription is the answer, and here's why:

1.) Those who decide not to serve are still tax-payers. They pay our salaries. As Will Rogers once said, "Taxes are nothing more than the dues we pay for the privlige of living in an organized society." We keep it organized, they pay us. Are they not paying their dues?

2.) How many civilian contractors have been "Deployed" agaianst their will in support of the GWT? My Dad, for one (who happens to be 62 years old) spent 12 months in the middle east in support of operations against his will (and still paid taxes) and never served a day of military service in his life. But he served...did he not?

People everywhere are supporting operations and don't "wear the uniform". The way I see it, we are already conscripting people.
Conscription is never the answer.

I work with KATUSA's every day, and I honestly have to say that the work ethics of *some* of them are below standard.

The way I see it is:
A) The way our ethics have gone downhill in the last few decades or so, makes me not want to work with someone who doesn't want to be there.

B) Conscription is not part of the definition of a free society. We (Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and yes, even Airmen) pay for it because we want to.
I sometimes get thanked for being in the military by ppl that see me in uniform or by somebody that finds out that I am in the military. I really find a hard time saying something back. Mostly because I don’t mind being in the military and I really didn’t join thinking of the impact I was going to have on other ppl lives. To me it was just a “career move.” I keep telling myself that if I get thanked again by somebody I will just thank them back. I will thank them for taking advantage of the freedom that I and others voluntarily serving in the Armed Forces are protecting.

I could pretty much go on and on about that but to get back on topic NO I will not want there to be Conscription. I will like to see more ppl (especially younger ppl, the future of this country) take advantage of the great opportunities afforded to them by the US.
Even though this is sort of off topic from the original subject, I agree with ARMY FNG when you say you have a hard time saying something back. I sometimes find it difficult when people thank me also. I don't do it for any attention, I do it for the service to my country and because I enjoy my job. I usually thank them back for their support of our armed forces. Otherwise I feel bad if I don't say anything back. Smiler
I think that if you plan to hold a political office, one requirement should be that the person served in the military for a minumum of 4 years. That way, even if you liked or disliked the service you know what it is like to scarifice so much by so few for so many on a daily basis. May encourage politicians to think before they start pushing DEPORDs.
I'm just saying.....I find it real darn funny that everyone wants to make decisions and bash the military or the government and have no clue what it's like. I personally hate 1/2 of the people who's freedom I defend because of how f'in crazy they act. You know, burning the flag, killing innocent people, etc..... I think they should all do 4 years and do 1 year of that in another country so they can see how other people have to live from day to day.
Nope I don't think so. A lot of people don't have the mental stability to deal with what soldiers go through day in and day out. For that matter a lot of soldiers don't have that stability. I think we function pretty well with this group of drunken volunteers we already have.
To stay in the US as an American citizen, I don't think military service should be mandatory. I think that if it were, it could come with possible lower crime rates and give people oppertunities they may have never thought possible, but I also think it would lower the quality of our military. Maybe the option of civil service or military service may offer better solution, I am not really sure.

However, I do believe politians, voters, judges, and anyone else involved in law making or interperting should be required to serve in the military before taking on such a role. How can you take advantage of a system you are not willing to die for? Also, how can you send people to die for a system that you are not willing to do the same? But this is coming from someone who believes that only NCOs should be able to become a Commisioned officer. How can you lead something you have never been?
I'm going to give a different take on this.

I don't mind being required to serve my country. However I don't think my talents would be best used with boots and a gun. I'm an Army wife- my husband does the shooting.

However, there are other ways I can contribute to our country. USO, Red Cross, civil service, and other gov't programs. I could serve by helping rebuild the Katrina region...there are many ways to serve without boots that improve and serve our country.

As for "anyone involved in law making or interperting should be required to serve in the military before taking on such a role" this is a dangerous statement. Talking about the military running the gov't! (Hezbollah anyone?) This is the very reason why we have three differant branches of gov't, for a check and balance system. The people vote for representation, thus the persons in power are creating law and making choices based on the people's wishes. If you don't like what the gov't is doing, hey it was your vote that put that person in power in the first place.

Willing to die for my country? Sure. But I would make a lousy soldier. And I might get you killed in the process.
The military is not for everybody, and for those of us who serve we all serve for different reasons. Some of us are not in the army, the army is in us and we love nothing more than to soldier. Some of us just want the college money, as soon as we finish paying off that GI bill we're outta here. In my opinion and personal situation, we needed an entry level job with benefits and an decent enough salary to live off of. Every able bodied person shouldn't serve, that's just silly. What is scary is that any able bodied person has the oppurtunity to serve, and many mentally unfit soldiers slide right through the cracks at MEPS and their basic training, and even AIT, right in to a light infantry unit, on to Iraq and in your squad.
Logically and theoretically it would benefit our country to do this. But to perform an action of this magnitude would take something so simple a child could do it. I say every able bodied person should go through a "boot camp" straight after highschool. And middle school and elementary. Gradually increasing in difficulty. No where near the real deal of BCT of course. But a little preview each time lasting about 2 weeks. This would cost billions. But i bet we would cut crime, overwieght, heart disease, and many more ailments in half or up to 75%!!!
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Originally posted by EchoWitSkillz:
I say every able bodied person should go through a "boot camp" straight after highschool. And middle school and elementary. Gradually increasing in difficulty.


Germany once had a program similar to what you just described. It was called the "Hitler Youth". I don't think we should be "Militarizing" our children.
Sorry I'm a big fan of Athens and Sparta. Hitler was brilliant but a Psychopath as well. I respect brilliance but do not agree that it makes you superior. Well I just thought it would strengthen our Country, physically and mentally. Darn I sound like a recruiter. Ok.. well maybe we can just send them all Soy milk and fat free cookies.
I don't think every able-bodied person should serve in the military. But along the lines of what glass-ayla said, there's plenty more thing people could do in ways of civil service. For those of you who have been to Korea, I don't know if you've ever made and Korean friends. I made friends with a dude who worked at the cell phone booth in the PX. I gave him my dog (no, not to eat) and he took me out to dinner (no, not to eat dog). I asked him, and he explained the whole thing to me. ALL Korean citizens, ALL OF THEM, women included, are required to serve their country. the women thing isn't enforced, though. They just don't care about them serving. Actually its more like they don't want them to serve. But males. They have a choice. Either join the Republic of Korea Army, or join the Korean National Police force. Now depending on thier physical... uh... "attributes", they're given certain jobs. The fit ones are made into Infantry, the not so fit, Admin for instance. They serve for two years, then they can get out or stay in. And they have up until like age 22 to join. Does it work? For them, yeah. Would it work for us? ....Absolutely not. Americans are too corrupt and spoiled to handle any system the government could come up with. But anybody could work for DoD or something.
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