Hey, this is SGT Jones, I need some guidance. I'm a new NCO, just got promoted in June. I had a soldier fall asleep on guard duty at my post at a gate. He was on duty to count whatever comes thru the gate to ensure the gate guards were doing there job. He did not have any force protection gear, we were not suppose to have it during this duty. The soldier had fell asleep for 2 minutes and the gate guard beside him woke him up when he missed a car. The soldier then stood up for the rest of his shift and did to fall asleep. I don't want to recommend UCMJ action beside this is his first offense since he has been in the unit and has no other negative counselings but garrison is pushing for action. I need to know what is the best route for a case like this. I don't think UCMJ is necessary for this due to the severity of the situation, and the fact he made a self correction without anybody having to tell him to. I would like some input as to what you think should be done and why you would choose to take your particular route of action.
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From the situation you described it sounds a bit extreme to punish this soldier with UCMJ. Without a previous history of misconduct there is no way it will stick so I wouldn't worry about your soldier receiving UCMJ action. I would straight out tell the CoC what he did does not warrant UCMJ. Recommend other corrective training such as more guard duty. More than likely this whole situation is getting blown out of proportion so make sure they know the exact situation and what you are doing to correct the problem. In garrison my favorite corrective action for soldiers who like to be late is to take away their weekends by making them report to staff duty every hour on the hour from 0600 to 1800. Just an idea.
Punishment is probably not warranted. The infraction seems quite minor and was immediately corrected. More important, the soldier demonstrated initiative to prevent further deficiencies.

Determine the root cause of the deficiency. How long had the soldier been up prior to the duty? How much sleep did he get prior to that?

If he had been up all night and came on shift after only 4 hours of sleep, he needs training. Train the soldier to get 7-9 hours of continuous sleep, and train him on backwards planning so he can properly adjust his sleep schedule.

If this instead is a matter of the soldier assuming a guard shift after a previous 12 hour duty, consider it a failure of leadership to properly implement a rest plan in the schedule. A soldier cannot be expected to obtain adequate sleep if the schedule does not allot sufficient time for it.

“When things go wrong in your command, start searching for the reason in increasingly larger concentric circles around your own desk.”
-GEN Bruce Clarke
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Originally posted by SSG JT 3166:
Report to you or to Staff Duty???

If you have them reporting to Staff Duty - you are wrong!


No I am not wrong , thank you very much. Just out of curiosity how do you think am I wrong? You are the first to make a negative comment about this sort of punishment.
@ Real... It's not staff duty or CQ's job to monitor your soldier. The NCO should be there personally to monitor the corrective training. I always considered that to be a lazy form of corrective training. I won't even allow the soldier to sign the log if their NCO isn't present.

It is my belief that if you take a soldier's weekend, you are also taking your weekend. But, that's the life of an NCO.

@ The OP

I was a COR for around a year in a half. What worked best for us was to either keep them on the gate for a couple of hours extra or have them help you with what ever force protection related details you need to accomplish (i.e. police call around towers, taking water and food to the guards, etc) We didn't have to many repeat offenders.

But like DWC said. The first you need to do is find out why he was so tired
@ realistik - Yes you are wrong, NCO's should be present when that NCO has their Soldier completing Corrective Training. If I am the first one that pointed that out to you, does it still make it right? Also I am pretty sure Corrective Training is not punishment either, you are an NCO you can not punish a soldier.

I am with sgt moore68w, when I have been CQNCO or SDNCO, I tell the Soldier that comes in to sign in to go head and stop reporting until his/her NCO is here.

A good NCO will be present at all times with the Soldier that is doing Corrective Training that the NCO has imposed. Even if it is on the weekend or have them reporting 30 minutes early to PT formation.
Right or wrong, it's still lazy to make your soldier to report to Staff Duty. If that's what you're doing are you really the one that is providing the corrective training? Or are you just using your rank or position for personal gain so you can retrain your soldier and not have to be there?

Just food for thought and I think this is topic is open to debate.
I guess its an old school method, forgot how soft the Army is now days. I have only used this method a few times and it corrected the issue. Its not like staff duty has to do anything anyways. I just drop off a counseling with a sign in roster attached in the morning and pick it up at the end of the weekend. I got this form of corrective training from an AIT Drill sergeant. He had me reporting to CQ during a four day and guess what, he wasn't present for that so I guess that makes him a lazy NCO, correct? I am not a babaysitter and do not need to hold a soldier's hand through every task. If I have to resort to that then I have failed that soldier. Laziness is not doing anything about the situation. This is something so many NCOs are failing at because they do not want to be labeled as the bad guy.
If corrective action is occurring during duty hours, say every two hours, how can you as an NCO who has your own duties, go sit in the barracks and have the soldier report to you? You have a job to do. Now, if you have a soldier who is always late, and you have them come in early, yes, you need to be there. If they are on extra duty, yes, you need to supervise it. I even had to do a PT session w/one of my soldiers b/c it was his corrective action for missing rememedial PT. The rest of the unit was playing football, and we were running sprints. BUT, if the soldier is living in the barracks, and you have them report to CQ, you are not "wrong". You should, however, check the CQ log the next morning to see if they signed in.
There is no way to prove that the soldier showed up on time, if he simply shows up at CQ. You could assume that the CQ NCOIC would document the correct time. But the NCO is not always at the desk. He could be doing security checks, taking care of a problem in the barracks, speaking to the staff duty NCO, or checking up on extra duty.

While the NCO is away, can you be certain that the CQ runner is logging the correct time? Chances are the runner and the soldier are friends and we all know that battle buddies are going to cover for each other.

Don't give a soldier corrective training if you are not going to be present to ensure it is being conducted to standards that you set.

@ Real. Sometimes soldiers need extra attention when they have proven that they need the extra supervision and most soldiers who are receiving corrective training have proven that they need the extra attention; otherwise why would they be on corrective training.

It would be different if you sent some soldiers down to sweep the motor pool or perform a police call and you were there looking over their shoulder. Now if they failed to accomplish those tasks, than yes you would need to supervise them until they have proven that they can accomplish the task themselves.
This types of situations take a comprehensive evaluation of the soldier in question. Does he have a history of misbehavior? Was he belligerent when you pointed out the mistake? Did he seem regretful of the incident? I don't think ruining someone's career for a single mistake is necessarily the answer.

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