Tier 10 bonus in 2010 vs Tier 10 bonus today...and other questions

I am a SSG.
I have a few questions about my re-up after BEAR graduation. I was slotted for the BEAR program for 29E and at the time it was tier 10

1: I would assume (deadly word) that when I reenlist at my unit it goes off the tier 10 'bonus amount' at the time when I signed up for the BEAR, not the current tier 10 chart. (because it is a heck of a lot more now $72K vs $40k with SSG and 5 years re-up)


Any help is appreciated
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Originally posted by Illernoise:
When I did the BEAR program, the highest bonus available is the bonus that you received, whether it be when you entered the program or the day before you reenlist.


If i am not mistaken, is still the same...you should get the one that is higher, the current one or the one that it was when you signed papers for BEAR.
I reclassed to 25P in the Bear program in Iraq back in Jan 2010, I then went to school and completed AIT July 2011. When I graduated I had EXACTLY 90 days from graduation or else lose the bonus. 25P was no longer on the Bear program but I still got the bonus from 2010. I am now stuck in a 798 MOS but thats another post lol... So the short of this is make sure you talk to retention as soon as you complete AIT. Also on TDY you still belong to your previous unit so until you are arrived at your gaining unit by S1 you should be able to go ahead and complete you reenlistment. Please post back and let us know how it goes!!
I just want to make sure I am understanding everyone so far. Since the Army is hurting with budget and is down sizing.

I will get $72,000 BEAR bonus when I reenlist for five years in a couple weeks time..NOT the $40,000 I was going to origianlly get?

Now if someone can just point me in the right direction to the regulation that states that for me so I can prove to the retentino NCO.
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Originally posted by argarus:
CLARIFICATION: 29E was a tier 10 when I signed up for it in 2012. Today it is not on the BEAR program, but the 'TIER CHART' amounts have changed from what it was in 2010.

So your saying I get to go off the chart from today?


Ok, so it was Tier 10 and in the BEAR program, now is NOT in the BEAR but has a Tier 8 as SRB...so where did you got the 72K?!?!? You said that Tier 10 used to be 40K, now Tier 8 is 40K, so you will get 40K, easy...You have to go by what the MOS has as Tier, not what is the amount that Tier 10 has/used to have...Just because your MOS used to be Tier 10, and at that time that was 40K, and now is 72K, it doesn't mean that you will get what Tier 10 is now...UNLESS, your MOS is still having the same TIER, which is not. I hope this make sense to you
I am confused, hopefully you can set that straight... Currently for 29E on the SRB Tiered is an 8, but that is for SFC only.... So being I am a SSG, would it then default to the original tier 10 when I signed up for it because there is not anything for SSG today in that MOS?
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Originally posted by argarus:
I am confused, hopefully you can set that straight... Currently for 29E on the SRB Tiered is an 8, but that is for SFC only.... So being I am a SSG, would it then default to the original tier 10 when I signed up for it because there is not anything for SSG today in that MOS?


Right...if you wouldn't have signed for BEAR when the MOS was in, then you wouldn't get nothing now. But, because the BEAR says that you will get a bonus, doesn't matter that the MOS is not in the program anymore...it was when you signed in, so you will get the Tier that was at the time you signed. Now, if the MOS was still in the BEAR, then you will get the Tier that was the highest, now or then.
The pertinent regulation is AR 601-280. See chapter 5. And yes, you should get whatever is the larger bonus. Keep in mind that you can only calculate reenlistment time up to your 16th year for bonus purposes. I haven't heard anything about an additional bonus to switch MOS's. If you come across any new information please let us know.
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2: With that, we have a lot of recruiters in our class. They are preaching to everyone to make sure you talk to your retention NCO about getting an additional $4500 bonus for switching your MOS. This is in addition to the BEAR bonus. Can you verify this is true. It sounds too good to be true, and from what I have found out it usually ends up that way. If it is true, can you guide me in the right direction/reg so i can make sure I present it to my retention NCO at my gaining unit.


I think they are talking about the MOS Conversion Bonus Program. But, 29E only has a bonus of $4000 at the SGT level, and $0 at the SSG...now, the 25E has a $4000 at both SGT and SSG. This is the only thing that i found out about an additional bonus, i don't know if this is what they are talking about. There are also 3 other MOS's on this list, 35L- $4000 at SGT, 51C- $2000 at SSG, and 79R- $2000 at SGT and SSG.
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Originally posted by tschermerhorn1:
The pertinent regulation is AR 601-280. See chapter 5. And yes, you should get whatever is the larger bonus. Keep in mind that you can only calculate reenlistment time up to your 16th year for bonus purposes. I haven't heard anything about an additional bonus to switch MOS's. If you come across any new information please let us know.


With the latest SRB message are those MOSs with the C next to their tier level paying out to the 20th year of service?
Ok I have the final answer for this.

After weeks of debating it with my BN retention NCO (who was on my side in agreement for the $72K) the Army came back and said if I reenlist it will be for $40K. So me being me, I was unsatisified with that answer and went to the BDE. He blew me off.... So then I went a step further and took it up with IG.... (these people think their god)

I opened a can of worms with this. After a week of investigating it I, and my entire chain of command, to include the LTC (you see where this is going) was called to the office of IG. This is how he explained it to me.

You are authorized a bonus, regardless if the current MOS drops off the BEAR chart or not. The amount will be the higher throughout the time you signed up for the BEAR until you sign your reenlistment contract. (so here I was getting excited) But, with the current MILPER message stating tier 10, that is for all of the MOS's that are 'attached' to that MILPER message, not something the Army deemed an esential MOS 18 months ago. So I could take every MILPER message from the day I signed up for BEAR, and every one that had my MOS on it I could use to compare the tier 10 charts against each other. If my MOS is not on the BEAR MILPER message, then the tier chart does not apply. My MOS must be on the MILPER message that states the current tier levels.

Long story short, I am receiving $40k. I have a LTC who likes my spunk and taking control of my life and a CSM who is ready to kill me for my actions. Needless to say I am disapointed by this, but I really was only fooling myself in thinking the gov. would dare change a bonus amount by almost double.
WAW, you realy went to all this just to find an answer that you already got it here and from the HR?! You don't need to be IG to be able to read a MILPER message...those messages are dummy proof. That is what i did (read it), and come up to the same conclusion...and i am not even a CC or retention NCO...just someone who has english as a 3rd language, LOL.
Anyway, i am glad that you got your final answer, even thou is not the one you were hopeing for.

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